WT292 – Kylo Ren Likes Us!

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On today’s show we’re talking about getting internet into the shop, listening to audio while woodworking, how flat is flat enough, and how thick to cut lumber.

What’s On the Bench

  • Marc:working on his bed build and feeling wasteful
  • Shannon: shoveling snow
  • Matt: ‘nother log, ‘nother day

What’s New

  • Phil shared a video about a wooden Ferrari.
  • Ethan said that Ellen’s Design Challenge is back for season 2.
  • Another new woodworking podcast is on the air with Jay Bates, Nick Ferry, and April Wilkerson.
  • Kevin shared a video of an amazing woodcarver in China.
  • Jerry shared a video of a radial engine made from wood.


  • John resharpened his card scraper but is still having mixed results.
  • George likes to see expensive and specialized tools like the Domino and Multi-Router.

Featured Topics

  • How do you get Internet access into your shop?


  • Jake wants to know what kind of experience we have had filling gaps with wood and sawdust mixtures.


  • Frederick is concerned that listening to podcasts and music might be unsafe while working in the shop.
  • Jim is hand planing his boards and wants to know how flat is flat enough?
  • Rodknock wants to know how thick he should cut his slabs when milling from a log on his bandsaw.

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16 replies on “WT292 – Kylo Ren Likes Us!”

Features suggestions: Something on Woodworking Books: either or both randomly:

1. ” My favorite woodworking book of all time for this week” (you may want to call it something else) where you each feature a book and discuss it.

2. You all comment and discuss a particular book, or group of books on a particular topic.

A. ‘Design’ – where there are new books: ‘By Hound and Eye” by Walker and Tolpin and the ‘original’ “By Hand and Eye” same,

B. ‘By Hound and Eye”, ‘The Anarchist’s Design Book” aka ‘Furniture of Necessity’ Schwarz (PDF only available now) AND Autoprogettazione” Enzo Mari – you discuss and contrast them all. Long great discussion!

Not just the usual Krenov books – but not excluded.

3. My favorite David Marks Woodworks – discuss independently each of your favorites,

4. Pick a particular WoodWorks and all three discuss

Keep Up the Great Stuff!

For those possibly not familiar with Autoprogettazione, Google the term. One example, ‘Sedia 1’


Brutally simple, brutally functional. And I thought Shaker was simple and functional without ‘adornment’

(Imagine Shannon’s Peach Crate upside down, with added legs projecting downward and an angled back scabbed on…)

You mentioned a band name if they played on the show. The name should be “Pithed Off,” then when ever they get going on a good jam, you can just cut them off randomly, never letting them finish. And since it is on a wood show, when they get angry abit being cut off…they are Pithed Off.

Hey Guys! I do testing for Newegg products and one of the devices I was able to test was a wireless network range extender similar to what was mentioned on the show. As was stated in the show, these devices use the regular electrical outlets in your system to connect remote locations which would otherwise be difficult to provide network access.

The device I was able to test for Newegg was made by TP-Link and is priced around $45 dollars (link for the lazy http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704208&cm_re=tp-link_av500-_-33-704-208-_-Product). What was not mentioned was that you would need a second unit that is able to be plugged into the same power system within the home and ALSO connected to the network via an ethernet cable. There is a starter pack which appears to include both the above extender as well as a network adapter for $49.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704197).

The devices work well enough, but do require some set up. Luckily the instruction manuals are pretty easy to understand even if you are not tech-savvy. I was able to run wifi to the second floor of my home using the test kit and it was sufficient as described for streaming Netflix, Spotify or Pandora, etc.

Hope this helps and happy woodworking!


Matt, this is the exact product I used in my shop, and I believe I initiated this discussion. It seems to work well enough and was far simpler than any other method of getting wifi to my shop.

Great show guys, as usual! Ok, you covered the “how do you get internet access” but cheated on the Wi-Fi aspect of it. You are all hard-wired to a router or device in your shop, which isn’t wireless. Perhaps that is the state of things – wireless routers/extenders aren’t good enough, and running a wire is too cheap and easy to suffer any other alternative.

Hey guys,

I really enjoy the show, it’s nice to have a weekly podcast about woodworking. I think that having Cremona as the new host is a great idea. My only complaint is we don’t get to hear him talk more. From what I’ve seen in his videos, he has a lot to contribute. It might be worth giving him an extra second to respond during conversation.

Keep up the great work!


Give it some time Ronald. Good podcasts aren’t made by “giving” each other extra time to talk. A good conversation happens when each person contributes energetically and naturally to the conversation. It’s going to take Matt a little while to get into the flow of the conversation since he’s the new guy and it’s going to take some time for us to get used to the third co-host not being Matt V. But forcing it would be awkward and wouldn’t make for a very good show. I know he has a lot to contribute as that’s the reason he was selected as a co-host, but it will take some time for him to get completely comfortable with his loquacious co-hosts.

Thanks for the reply Marc. I do agree that it will take time for Matt to feel comfortable speaking up. I just want it to happen NOW!!! Also, didn’t mean any harm with my suggestions. I felt compelled to write in because I enjoy the show so much and thought other listeners might feel the same way.

I think of you guys likes the Blue Oyster Cult. Matt is your cowbell. Your listeners have a fever, and the only prescription is… more Matt.


I want to thank Marc for answering my question about milling and concern for waste… before I even had a chance to ask it! I’m also in the process of making a king sized bed frame and felt really torn about milling so much from 8/4 stock for my long rails. I was going for 1 3/8″ but even then I didn’t feel like I could get straight rails while maintaining the necessary thickness I needed for the hidden bed bolts from 6/4 stock (I milled pockets and used square nuts recessed on the front side of the foot board tenons as in Jeff Miller’s bed book). I too went with 8/4 and filled my dust collector bags quite a few times with a lot of guilt about wastes board feet.

Even though everything worked out for me, I had felt my seemingly wasteful and overly safe choice was a mark of inexperience in lumber selection and skill in milling. Basically, I wondered if I was more skilled, would I be wasting less? I guess it was ok, and sometimes you have to change your perspective as parts get longer and joinery gets more complicated. I would justy like to say hearing Marc find himself in the same quandary as a professional was simply refreshing to hear and one of the reasons why I always tune in.


For getting internet in my shop I wound up improving the wireless throughout my whole house. Most folks have a combination wireless access point and router. For my house that was in the basement previously. My unit was getting old and instead of replacing it I just bought a wireless access point (not a router) from Ubiquiti. Just have to run a single Ethernet cable to it and it is even gets power over the Ethernet line through a power injector. I then snaked a cat6 line through my house and mounted it in the ceiling of my second floor laundry room. Now I get wifi two houses away, and in the garage. You still need your existin router but you can turn the wifi off on it.

These systems such as their new Unifi AP AC lite models are fairly cheap at $70-$80 bucks and you can use multiple ones that automatically hand off connections to other units throughout your home. That’s another option for people with detached shops so you can have seamless internet access as long as you can get the cable there. Ubiquiti also makes solutions for long wireless links if your shop is really far away.

They aren’t plug and play but for folks with moderate technical skills they are pretty easy to set up.

When I saw the name of this podcast I thought it was about something else but I was pleasantly surprised. I enjoy listening to you guys and I just finished building a castle bed for my two girls and now I am planning on building a pirate ship bed for my son. Listening to you guys is making me want to do it by hand because for the castle I did it all with a cnc. Keep up the good work.

Hi guys,

thank you for your podcast! I finally discovered woodworking around one year ago and am uber happy I did. Your podcast (and youtube videos) are helping a lot building the basic knowledge and getting an overview over the subject, tools and techniques.

I am German and I would like to state that I am not offended when you’re talking about German engineered razor blades. Side note: Harry’s doesn’t ship (back) to Germany yet :).

On the Wifi subject: Marc’s idea of giving all wifi networks the same name is a good idea. If you choose different names you could end up with your laptop still being connected to your ‘house wifi’ in the shop even if the ‘shop wifi’ is a lot better. Most computers (phones) have one list of known networks and the order is used as priority. So as long as the computer can hold on to one network it will try.

I think it was Shannon talking actual numbers regarding download and upload speed. Pay attention that your comparing the same unit. Shannon was talking about Mega-Bits per second (Mbps) while many people (including, I think, one reader in his comment) talk about Mega-Bytes per second (MB / s). The difference is factor 8. 1 MB/s is 8 Mbps. Telco providers usually talk in Mbps.

All the best from Belgium.

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